Chat Transcript

The Chat Room transcript from our June 23, 2020 event, The Post Pandemic City We Want.


19:01:30           From  David Jones  to  All panelists : Hello!

19:02:13           From  Tech Help- Samantha Anderson : http://vancouverplanning.ca/about/

19:02:34           From  Preethi Anbalagan : Excited to be tuning in from Toronto! Go Amina!

19:02:57           From  Tech Help- Samantha Anderson : http://Whose.land

19:03:09           From  Tech Help- Samantha Anderson : https://native-land.ca

19:04:44           From  Owen Brady  to  All panelists : yeah, go Amina!

19:06:24           From  Craig Jorgensen  to  All panelists : native land is not the best resource to share for a Vancouver specific conversation as it erroneously includes the sto:lo as a title holder which is not recognized and rejected by the other title holders (the Musqueum, Squamish and Tsleil-Waututh)

19:07:06           From  Tech Help- Samantha Anderson : Thanks for the feedback- we’ll update

19:08:24           From  Host – Yuri Artibise – ED, VCPC  to  All panelists : pete isnlt here yet

19:08:45           From  Sybille Rulf  to  All panelists : Paying attention not to sell our land and our housing to people who are NOT EVEN residents in our midst

19:08:54           From  Tech Help- Samantha Anderson : http://vancouverplanning.ca/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/VCPC-biographies-2020.pdf

19:09:12           From  Joy Rowe  to  All panelists : Thank you for the closed captioning!

19:09:14           From  Tech Help- Samantha Anderson : To view a full screen of smooth captioning, please use this link: https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=vcpc   

19:09:23           From  Tech Help – Alix Krahn : Closed Captioning is being provided by Elizabeth Royal, with Accurate Realtime Reporting Inc. https://accuraterealtime.com/

19:10:10           From  Tech Help- Samantha Anderson : http://vancouverplanning.ca/our-work/projects/2020-summit/

19:10:17           From  Tech Help – Alix Krahn : We’re using the hashtags: #thecitywewant #vanplanning

19:11:15           From  Tech Help- Samantha Anderson : http://www.sfu.ca/publicsquare.html

19:12:52           From  Tech Help – Alyssa Koehn (she/her) : If you have questions for our panelists, please use the Q&A function, also found in the bottom bar. You may also upvote others questions using that function if you have similar questions.

19:14:10           From  Shaku Rangnekar  to  All panelists : how long is the session?

19:14:29           From  Tech Help – Robyn Chan : @Shaku, it ends at 8:15

19:14:31           From  Host – Yuri Artibise – ED, VCPC  to  All panelists : poll is launched

19:15:15           From  Foong Pat CHAN  to  All panelists : To see like-minded folks that I can work with in the future

19:17:03           From  Tech Help – Albert Huang : Thanks, Foong Pat Chan.  The choices were by no means comprehensive, and we’ll note your feedback.

19:17:41           From  Jess Shead  to  All panelists : Theatre Artist

19:17:45           From  Carmen Rosen  to  All panelists : artist

19:17:58           From  Bonnie Wilson  to  All panelists : Health Care

19:18:18           From  Maya Korbynn  to  All panelists : Student + professional in housing!

19:18:53           From  Mahwish Yousaf  to  All panelists : is his recorded? and where can I watch the recording later?

19:19:07           From  Tech Help – Robyn Chan  to  All panelists : Yes, we are saving the chat!

19:19:07           From  Tech Help- Samantha Anderson : Bios of speakers & hosts available here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vTREhQrXusA-mynIcCQ91_ljdvPdCp4NvK6ZjVSg9RPpbFz_H7FEOSY8WMRkAAWzlEee2jVPeWQsXpx/pub

19:19:11           From  Tech Help – Seth Erais  to  All panelists : Yes, we will save the chat!

19:19:34           From  Shaku Rangnekar  to  All panelists : What interest the city planners?

19:20:01           From  Wilma Leung  to  All panelists : just want a more humane, vibrant and resilient community

19:21:38           From  Ellen Woodsworth : If you haven’t already, please read Jay’s A Call to Courage here: https://canurb.org/citytalk-news/a-call-to-courage-an-open-letter-to-canadian-urbanists/

Jay Pitter black urban activist planner –  https://twitter.com/Jay_Pitter: Call to Courage for urbanists

19:22:36           From  Tech Help – Robyn Chan : Sky Spirit Consulting: https://www.skyspiritconsulting.ca/

19:23:47           From  Sasha Van Wie  to  All panelists : How do you spell this concept bridging Western and indigenous ways of knowing please?

19:24:48           From  Sasha Van Wie  to  All panelists : Found my answer: Two-eyed seeing

19:25:46           From  Charles Montgomery : Thank you Sierra, what an incredibly generous perspective.

19:26:08           From  Tech Help – Alyssa Koehn (she/her) : Just a reminder that if you have questions for our panelists to please leave them in the Q&A function. You can also up-vote questions you are interested in. We will answer some of them live at the end of the chat.

19:26:34           From  Tech Help- Samantha Anderson : CityHive: https://cityhive.ca/

19:28:54           From  Priti Shah  to  All panelists : Sierra loved the generous grounding perspective, and keen to learn more about your work. Thank you

19:31:02           From  Mahwish Yousaf  to  All panelists : Hi, I have to leave. Could you please tell me where I can watch the recording afterwards?

19:31:26           From  Tech Help – Robyn Chan : Hi Mahwish, Transcripts and recordings of today’s webinar will be posted to vancouverplanning.ca within the next week or so.

19:32:13           From  Mahwish Yousaf  to  All panelists : Thank you!

19:32:22           From  Tech Help- Samantha Anderson : Tomo Spaces: http://tomospaces.com/

19:32:40           From  Lani Brunn  to  All panelists : curious… how many people are on the webinar?

19:34:19           From  Tech Help – Robyn Chan : Lani, we’re being joined by more than 300 people!

19:34:42           From  Tech Help – Robyn Chan : Just a reminder, please make sure to change your chat settings to “all panelists and attendees” so everyone can see your comments.

19:39:22           From  Shaku Rangnekar  to  All panelists : Why Indians from India prefer to stay in Surrey?

19:39:40           From  Joy Rowe  to  All panelists : CLAPS CLAPS re HA

19:39:42           From  Tech Help- Samantha Anderson : Hogan’s Alley Society: https://www.hogansalleysociety.org/

119:40:42        From  Tech Help – Alix Krahn : Amina recently wrote an article in The Tyee: https://thetyee.ca/Analysis/2020/06/18/Whose-Streets-Black-Streets/

19:40:49           From  Tech Help – Alix Krahn : As well as an interview on CBC: https://www.cbc.ca/listen/live-radio/1-91-the-early-edition/clip/15783735-the-post-pandemic-city-we-want

19:42:54           From  Ellen Woodsworth : We need disaggregated data especially race data as in motion B4  before Council today to be debated tomorrow.

19:44:35           From  Host – Yuri Artibise – ED, VCPC : Motion B4 can be found here: https://council.vancouver.ca/20200623/documents/b4.pdf

19:45:12           From  Charles Montgomery : Question for Veronika: what are youth telling you about the future city they want? What does it look like? Are neighbourhoods different?

19:45:13           From  Maya Korbynn : +1

19:47:12           From  Veronika Bylicki (she/her)  to  All panelists : ^Happy to address that question later re youth telling us what the future city they want is

19:47:35           From  Joy Rowe  to  All panelists : +1

19:47:47           From  Adam Knight : what is meant by disaggregated data? I’ve heard it a number of times, not sure what it means

19:48:49           From  Tech Help – Robyn Chan : Disaggregated data is data that has been broken down by detailed sub-categories, including race, gender, income, etc.

19:48:59           From  Becca Mayers  to  All panelists : “Disaggregated data is data that has been broken down by detailed sub-categories, for example by marginalised group, gender, region or level of education. Disaggregated data can reveal deprivations and inequalities that may not be fully reflected in aggregated data.” from google

19:49:48           From  Foong Pat CHAN  to  All panelists : Eurocentric notions of history and futures is often linear. It posits each epoch as a betterment of the last. What this Eurocentric approach to “time” does is a disregard of splintering futures, hence futures not fitted within Eurocentric history-futures.

If we are to translate a notion of time as irreducible to one future to “Planning”, what can such a Plan do/be? A plan with multiple futures might mean it is not representable (as per the usual plan with the “anticipated” forms of buildings and even policies).

19:49:49           From  Ellen Woodsworth : We need to use an intersectional lens to look at the disaggregated data to see everyone in all our diversities.

19:50:08           From  Tech Help – Robyn Chan : Amina’s Tyee article: https://thetyee.ca/Analysis/2020/06/18/Whose-Streets-Black-Streets/

19:50:10           From  Becca Mayers  to  All panelists : If you’d like more information on desegregated data, there’s a book by Caroline Criado-Perez on “Invisible women”, and she talks a lot about gender, but also race.

19:50:11           From  Priti Shah  to  All panelists : Good to know about B4 motion being debated tomorrow Thanks Ellen.

19:50:21           From  Adam Knight : thank you… I think I need to look into it further.

19:50:33           From  Tech Help – Alix Krahn : Hi all, reminder to change your chat to send to “all panelists and attendees” if you would like everyone to see your comment!

19:51:28           From  Becca Mayers : If you’d like more information on desegregated data, there’s a book by Caroline Criado-Perez on “Invisible women”, where she talks a lot about gender, but also race.

19:52:13           From  Adam Knight : it is not a particularly intuitive term for a lay person. thanks for the recommendation!

19:52:31           From  Daljit Gill-Badesha : Question for Jannika: how are you involving youth in the planning of the city and you are collecting data from a diverse group that represents the community?

19:53:00           From  Host – Yuri Artibise – ED, VCPC : Invisible Women: Exposing Data Bias in a World Designed for Men — Caroline Criado Perez https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/111/1113605/invisible-women/9781784706289.html

19:53:02           From  Jessica Wadsworth : Disaggregated (Not desegregated).

19:53:45           From  Foong Pat CHAN  to  All panelists : I think what makes it difficult for the official Planning bodies to really think/act outside the usual framework is that they function on the time-frame of capital… (E.g. The deadlines to take out the bank loans, the deadline to return loans, even the deadline to apply for funding, etc, etc…) The time-frame of capital is that of colonial time.

19:54:04           From  Becca Mayers : Interesting how when asked what your utopia for the future city is, all panelists so far have focused on process and following the data to represent the needs of groups who are systematically ignored. We have the data…now ignore your own idea of utopia and use the evidence right in front of you.

19:54:10           From  Tech Help- Samantha Anderson : UN Committee on the

Elimination of Racial Discrimination Report on Canada: https://undocs.org/CERD/C/CAN/CO/18

19:54:47           From  Foong Pat CHAN  to  All panelists : Utopia is also “Not Place”

19:55:45           From  Foong Pat CHAN  to  All panelists : So in a way the panelists are correct to not really envision a specific place. That’s the problem with colonial-capital planning, it envisions exactly what must be, and enforce it (or “implement it”)

19:56:54           From  Kim Nipp  to  All panelists : Thank you SO MUCH Amina for naming and sharing the hard truths. “Why is the onus always placed on racialized, and marginalized communities to keep having to revisit storytelling their lived experience and pain in order to be heard?”

19:57:49           From  Nithila Theivendrarajah : When we rebuild Vancouver are we also thinking about climate change and other environmental issues – this would a great opportunity to change how we live so that we are more sustainable as a community and I’m wondering if those conversations are taking place as we talk about Vancouver post-covid (I joined late to this call so I’m not sure if you already addressed this)

19:58:22           From  Shelley Joseph : (all my relations) Namwayut – We are all one (KwaKwala language)

19:59:32           From  Carmen Rosen : What’s interesting about this moment is that we’ve seen all levels of government suddenly pivot and change within a few weeks when we’ve been told any change is complex and not easy and  can’t just happen. But we’ve seen it can just happen and now we question why not all the other social justice and climate justice issues that are also urgent

19:59:36           From  Tech Help- Samantha Anderson : Ornament and Crime Adolf Loos excerpt here: https://faculty.risd.edu/bcampbel/Loos-Ornament%20and%20Crime.pdf

20:00:27           From  Kath Gee  to  All panelists : thank you for providing the links and info the speakers are referring to

20:01:36           From  Michael Gordon : Thank you…that’s very helpful for me to grasp the disconnect between our emerging city and aboriginal values.

20:03:04           From  Emily McGill : I came in late unfortunately, I’m curious if there’s been discussion about urban green spaces – repopulating with native plants, food forests, improving biodiversity?

20:03:07           From  Maya Korbynn : Thank you, Sierra, for sharing all of that information!

20:03:16           From  Emily McGill : Yes, thank you Sierra, very informative

20:03:55           From  Christina Olsen : Wonderfully concise and deep context, thank you Sierra.

20:03:58           From  Brad Gretzinger  to  All panelists : Way to go Sierra!

20:04:48           From  Tech Help- Samantha Anderson : Modus Planning & Design: https://thinkmodus.ca/

20:05:16           From  veronica Jeske  to  All panelists : Sierra, you explained things so well and have given me so much to think about. Thank you. I appreciate all the panaelists too!

20:05:27           From  Foong Pat CHAN  to  All panelists : We would need to start each project not with a pre-designed scheme and show that to the impacted groups and see what they think.

That’s why we need to work outside of the time-line of capital, so that really different modes f engagement, drawing, mark-making, etc. can take place…

20:06:08           From  Kath Gee  to  All panelists : so resonant and inspiring Sierra, grateful for your strong spirit and integrity

20:06:18           From  Jessica Wadsworth : Yes! Timelines for engagement at the City have historically been meaningless to those who have committed their time. We have this issue with the Arts and Culture Advisory Committee.

20:08:39           From  Ellen Woodsworth : Take Jay Pitter’s questionnaire about action on BIPOC issues in her “Call to Courage”.

20:09:11           From  Kim Nipp  to  All panelists : Thank you so much Sierra!

20:09:13           From  Kyla Epstein  to  All panelists : Thank you Sierra for talking about timelines. I have heard folks recently talk about “moving at the speed of trust”. Something I am figuring out in my ‘engagement’ work.

20:09:18           From  Michael Gordon : Yes, could we go past 8:15, this is a very important conversation.

20:09:20           From  Tech Help – Alix Krahn : Jay Pitter’s Call to Courage: https://canurb.org/citytalk-news/a-call-to-courage-an-open-letter-to-canadian-urbanists/#:~:text=Access%20the%20Call%20to%20Courage,in%20cities%20across%20North%20America.

20:09:21           From  Steve Butler : I’ve read Amina’s good and thought-provoking article. With CPTED having originated from a place of white privilege, how do we make public spaces safe for all races, cultures, and genders without incorporating some aspect of “natural surveillance” ?

20:11:09           From  Tech Help – Alix Krahn : Amina’s article: https://thetyee.ca/Analysis/2020/06/18/Whose-Streets-Black-Streets/

20:12:36           From  Priti Shah  to  All panelists : Sierra and Amina thank you for your informative and moving presentation. Loved how you both elavated each other and spoke so well about intersectionality

20:13:40           From  Becca Mayers : Timeline of white supremacy

20:14:23           From  Michael Gordon : There are many important web links being shared…is it possible to follow up with us and share them after this conversation.

20:14:39           From  David Schwartz : I think the chat transcript will be shared

20:14:46           From  Tech Help – Albert Huang  to  All panelists : Tech team: I’ve got to excuse myself at this point.  Great work. Happy to see people have held attendees’ attention.

20:14:53           From  Mitra Mansour : Well said Sierra + Amina!!!!!!!!! Thank you to the panelists and organizers! (PS. Hi Omar!) Good night everyone.

20:15:54           From  Nithila Theivendrarajah : could the recording of this meeting be shared? as someone who cam in late I would appreciate being able to see the conversations i missed

20:15:58           From  Tech Help- Samantha Anderson : Hi Michael, we’ll be consolidating the links and add on a few others that the panelists think are useful to share iwht the link ot the transcript

20:16:55           From  Tech Help – Robyn Chan : Hi Nithila, we’ll be sharing the recording in about a week or so at http://vancouverplanning.ca/   (along with the links and transcripts as mentioned above)

20:17:55           From  Diane Blunt : I’ve learned from working with canoe families that “there is an order not a schedule.” It’s been a game changer for me. I try to always bring that to my work.

20:18:06           From  Priti Shah : Great conversations all panelist very informative and inspiring and thank you  Omar

20:19:22           From  Mark Roseland : Thanks all for a very interesting conversation.

20:20:39           From  Becca Mayers : Make the streets safer for whom

20:23:02           From  Amina Yasin : Please take it upon yourselves to learn more about the Hogan’s Alley Society and the proposed Community Land Trust https://www.hogansalleysociety.org/

20:23:28           From  Tech Help – Alyssa Koehn (she/her) : Thank you to everyone who submitted questions that we did not get to. We will take these away with us and use them to inform future events in this series, as well as collect them in the chat summary for the event.

20:23:59           From  Becca Mayers : Thanks to all the panelists and organisers!

20:24:43           From  Adam Knight : thank you everyone — the speakers, moderator and those joining to learn more about these perspectives.

20:24:55           From  Kath Gee  to  All panelists : can we please access to the transcripts

20:24:59           From  Foong Pat CHAN  to  All panelists : Exactly what Amina said ! That’s the problem… Planning still assumes what it does is “neutral” or “universal”. I would love every plan produced in Canada to have pages of footprint outlining how every piece of policy has its colonial roots.

20:25:03           From  Carmen Rosen : thank you all

20:25:06           From  Maeve Downing : thank you so much panelists and organizers, this is amazing, thank you so so much.

20:25:14           From  Lisa Moffatt : Sincerely appreciate your lived experience, labour and knowledge Sierra, Amina, Leslie and Veronika. Thanks for hosting VCPC.

20:25:25           From  David Schwartz : thank you all, I wish this session was longer

20:25:33           From  Amina Yasin : Please learn more about the International Decade for people of African descent and what that means to Canada. https://www.un.org/en/observances/decade-people-african-descent

20:25:34           From  Nithila Theivendrarajah : Thank you all, I really look forward to more of these sessions

20:25:50           From  Caleb Westerby : Thank you all – lots to think about and build upon.

20:25:54           From  Carla Jones  to  All panelists : Thank you all for so generously giving of your time. I look forward to what’s next.

20:25:54           From  Foong Pat CHAN  to  All panelists : Thank you all!

20:25:59           From  Robert White : Thank you Sierra, Veronika, Leslie, and Amina, and thank you Omar and everyone behind the scenes.

20:26:01           From  Kath Gee  to  All panelists : and huge gratitude for cracking open our hearts, minds and spirits to recreate and regenerate our cities

20:26:16           From  Amina Yasin : Thank you to all attendees

20:26:16           From  Preethi Anbalagan : Thank you all!!

20:26:21           From  Amina Yasin : Thank you to all panelists

20:26:28           From  Amina Yasin : Thank you Sierra

20:26:28           From  Cabot Lyford  to  All panelists : Let it take as long as it needs.

20:26:35           From  Daljit Gill-Badesha : Thank you!!

20:26:38           From  John Roddick : Thanks very much to all the panelists.

20:26:39           From  Tech Help – Alyssa Koehn (she/her) : Transcripts and a recording of today’s webinar will be posted to vancouverplanning.ca within the next week or so, and an email will be sent to all attendees with links to the transcript, chat, and questions.

20:27:01           From  Maya Korbynn : Thank you so much! This has been such an informative session.

20:27:04           From  Kath Gee  to  All panelists : thanks to all the speakers for your strength insight commitment and voices

20:27:25           From  R Nam : Thank you so much for the discussion and the topics brought up. I appreciate the time and will be taking away so much more to research and to learn/unlearn.

20:27:32           From  Mark Roseland  to  All panelists : For future reference, you can save the chat in Zoom, click the 3 dots near where you type in Chat

20:27:34           From  LEELA Viswanathan  to  All panelists : Thanks so much!

20:27:37           From  Brad Gretzinger  to  All panelists : This was very informative and heart warming. 5-10 topis to expand on!

20:27:41           From  Michael Gordon : Agreed, I’m very grateful you shared your insights with us.

20:27:41           From  Kath Gee  to  All panelists : and your fierce honesty. I hear you, I see you!

20:27:50           From  Megan Fretz : Thank you to all the panelists for honest and grounded conversation. Looking forward to future conversations!

20:27:58           From  Christina Olsen : Brilliant, thanks to you all for your time, energy, and insights!

20:28:02           From  Sara Jellicoe : thank you so much VCPC for amplifying these voices – I’m grateful to listen and i hope your future panels will be equally as intersectional

20:28:04           From  Joy Rowe : Panelists so generous with their time and energy. Thank you for this gift. Could keep listening & being engaged for another hour or more. Love this

20:28:06           From  Emily McGill : Thank you all <3

20:28:18           From  Kim Nipp  to  All panelists : Thank you to everyone who spoke and brought together this panel. Sincerely appreciate the labor involved in sharing your knowledge and lived experience.

20:28:21           From  Sanjana Patil : Thank you panelists and all, it was a wonderful session of learning and sharing.

20:28:21           From  Iona Bonamis  to  All panelists : Thank you Sierra, Amina, Veronika, Leslie, Omar, and all of the people who put this event together! I have learned so much from this panel!

20:28:23           From  Lani Brunn  to  All panelists : thank you

20:28:25           From  Sarah Law  to  All panelists : thank you to all the panelists for your time, intentions and knowledge <3

20:28:29           From  Amanda Mitchell : Thank you to the panelists and the VCPC

20:28:29           From  Kath Gee  to  All panelists : yes to using relationship building. that’s the way forward to healing and reconciliation

20:28:31           From  Susan Haid  to  All panelists : Thank-you sincerely for a deeply thoughtful and powerful dialogue to activate critical change

20:28:32           From  Natalie Douglas : Thank you all so very much!

20:28:32           From  Tanya Fink : Thank you so much for your time and expertise . We have a lot to learn.

20:29:01           From  Cathy Sevcik : Thank you!

20:29:05           From  Sasha Van Wie  to  All panelists : Thank you for your presence and valuable questions everyone.

20:29:06           From  Tracy Wilkins : Such an incredible honour and a privilege to listen. Thanks to all the speakers and to Omar.

20:29:07           From  Tech Help – Alyssa Koehn (she/her)  to  All panelists : Great job Omar!

20:29:07           From  Erick Villagomez  to  All panelists : Thank you, All!

20:29:11           From  Kath Gee  to  All panelists : will recording and transcript be available

20:29:12           From  Robert Matas  to  All panelists : thank you for all your insightful comments

20:29:18           From  Tanya Fink  to  All panelists : great job Omar!!

20:29:25           From  Omar Dominguez  to  All panelists : Is the thing off?

20:29:25           From  Tech Help – Alyssa Koehn (she/her)  to  All panelists : And to all the panelists as well.

20:29:28           From  Jackson Moore : Thanks to everyone! First VCPC event but definitely not my last

20:29:37           From  Amina Yasin  to  All panelists : fantastic job OMAR!

20:29:39           From  Kath Gee  to  All panelists : will recording and transcript be available

20:29:43           From  Claudia Bulaievsky  to  All panelists : thanks

20:29:52           From  Tech Help – Robyn Chan : @Kath, yes they will be shared in the next week or so

20:30:06           From  Kath Gee  to  All panelists : thank you!!

20:30:20           From  Kath Gee  to  All panelists : brilliant discussion

20:30:20           From  Tech Help – Robyn Chan  to  All panelists : I wish I had the fire emoji, you guys were amazing

20:30:29           From  Marnie Tamaki : Great event!!

20:31:02           From  Omar Dominguez  to  All panelists : <3