The Chat Room transcript from our June 23, 2020 event, The Post Pandemic City We Want.
19:01:30 From David Jones to All panelists : Hello!
19:02:13 From Tech Help- Samantha Anderson : http://vancouverplanning.ca/about/
19:02:34 From Preethi Anbalagan : Excited to be tuning in from Toronto! Go Amina!
19:02:57 From Tech Help- Samantha Anderson : http://Whose.land
19:03:09 From Tech Help- Samantha Anderson : https://native-land.ca
19:04:44 From Owen Brady to All panelists : yeah, go Amina!
19:06:24 From Craig Jorgensen to All panelists : native land is not the best resource to share for a Vancouver specific conversation as it erroneously includes the sto:lo as a title holder which is not recognized and rejected by the other title holders (the Musqueum, Squamish and Tsleil-Waututh)
19:07:06 From Tech Help- Samantha Anderson : Thanks for the feedback- we’ll update
19:08:24 From Host - Yuri Artibise - ED, VCPC to All panelists : pete isnlt here yet
19:08:45 From Sybille Rulf to All panelists : Paying attention not to sell our land and our housing to people who are NOT EVEN residents in our midst
19:08:54 From Tech Help- Samantha Anderson : http://vancouverplanning.ca/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/VCPC-biographies-2020.pdf
19:09:12 From Joy Rowe to All panelists : Thank you for the closed captioning!
19:09:14 From Tech Help- Samantha Anderson : To view a full screen of smooth captioning, please use this link: https://www.streamtext.net/player?event=vcpc
19:09:23 From Tech Help - Alix Krahn : Closed Captioning is being provided by Elizabeth Royal, with Accurate Realtime Reporting Inc. https://accuraterealtime.com/
19:10:10 From Tech Help- Samantha Anderson : http://vancouverplanning.ca/our-work/projects/2020-summit/
19:10:17 From Tech Help - Alix Krahn : We’re using the hashtags: #thecitywewant #vanplanning
19:11:15 From Tech Help- Samantha Anderson : http://www.sfu.ca/publicsquare.html
19:12:52 From Tech Help - Alyssa Koehn (she/her) : If you have questions for our panelists, please use the Q&A function, also found in the bottom bar. You may also upvote others questions using that function if you have similar questions.
19:14:10 From Shaku Rangnekar to All panelists : how long is the session?
19:14:29 From Tech Help - Robyn Chan : @Shaku, it ends at 8:15
19:14:31 From Host - Yuri Artibise - ED, VCPC to All panelists : poll is launched
19:15:15 From Foong Pat CHAN to All panelists : To see like-minded folks that I can work with in the future
19:17:03 From Tech Help - Albert Huang : Thanks, Foong Pat Chan. The choices were by no means comprehensive, and we’ll note your feedback.
19:17:41 From Jess Shead to All panelists : Theatre Artist
19:17:45 From Carmen Rosen to All panelists : artist
19:17:58 From Bonnie Wilson to All panelists : Health Care
19:18:18 From Maya Korbynn to All panelists : Student + professional in housing!
19:18:53 From Mahwish Yousaf to All panelists : is his recorded? and where can I watch the recording later?
19:19:07 From Tech Help - Robyn Chan to All panelists : Yes, we are saving the chat!
19:19:07 From Tech Help- Samantha Anderson : Bios of speakers & hosts available here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vTREhQrXusA-mynIcCQ91_ljdvPdCp4NvK6ZjVSg9RPpbFz_H7FEOSY8WMRkAAWzlEee2jVPeWQsXpx/pub
19:19:11 From Tech Help - Seth Erais to All panelists : Yes, we will save the chat!
19:19:34 From Shaku Rangnekar to All panelists : What interest the city planners?
19:20:01 From Wilma Leung to All panelists : just want a more humane, vibrant and resilient community
19:21:38 From Ellen Woodsworth : If you haven’t already, please read Jay’s A Call to Courage here: https://canurb.org/citytalk-news/a-call-to-courage-an-open-letter-to-canadian-urbanists/
Jay Pitter black urban activist planner – https://twitter.com/Jay_Pitter: Call to Courage for urbanists
19:22:36 From Tech Help - Robyn Chan : Sky Spirit Consulting: https://www.skyspiritconsulting.ca/
19:23:47 From Sasha Van Wie to All panelists : How do you spell this concept bridging Western and indigenous ways of knowing please?
19:24:48 From Sasha Van Wie to All panelists : Found my answer: Two-eyed seeing
19:25:46 From Charles Montgomery : Thank you Sierra, what an incredibly generous perspective.
19:26:08 From Tech Help - Alyssa Koehn (she/her) : Just a reminder that if you have questions for our panelists to please leave them in the Q&A function. You can also up-vote questions you are interested in. We will answer some of them live at the end of the chat.
19:26:34 From Tech Help- Samantha Anderson : CityHive: https://cityhive.ca/
19:28:54 From Priti Shah to All panelists : Sierra loved the generous grounding perspective, and keen to learn more about your work. Thank you
19:31:02 From Mahwish Yousaf to All panelists : Hi, I have to leave. Could you please tell me where I can watch the recording afterwards?
19:31:26 From Tech Help - Robyn Chan : Hi Mahwish, Transcripts and recordings of today’s webinar will be posted to vancouverplanning.ca within the next week or so.
19:32:13 From Mahwish Yousaf to All panelists : Thank you!
19:32:22 From Tech Help- Samantha Anderson : Tomo Spaces: http://tomospaces.com/
19:32:40 From Lani Brunn to All panelists : curious… how many people are on the webinar?
19:34:19 From Tech Help - Robyn Chan : Lani, we’re being joined by more than 300 people!
19:34:42 From Tech Help - Robyn Chan : Just a reminder, please make sure to change your chat settings to “all panelists and attendees” so everyone can see your comments.
19:39:22 From Shaku Rangnekar to All panelists : Why Indians from India prefer to stay in Surrey?
19:39:40 From Joy Rowe to All panelists : CLAPS CLAPS re HA
19:39:42 From Tech Help- Samantha Anderson : Hogan’s Alley Society: https://www.hogansalleysociety.org/
119:40:42 From Tech Help - Alix Krahn : Amina recently wrote an article in The Tyee: https://thetyee.ca/Analysis/2020/06/18/Whose-Streets-Black-Streets/
19:40:49 From Tech Help - Alix Krahn : As well as an interview on CBC: https://www.cbc.ca/listen/live-radio/1-91-the-early-edition/clip/15783735-the-post-pandemic-city-we-want
19:42:54 From Ellen Woodsworth : We need disaggregated data especially race data as in motion B4 before Council today to be debated tomorrow.
19:44:35 From Host - Yuri Artibise - ED, VCPC : Motion B4 can be found here: https://council.vancouver.ca/20200623/documents/b4.pdf
19:45:12 From Charles Montgomery : Question for Veronika: what are youth telling you about the future city they want? What does it look like? Are neighbourhoods different?
19:45:13 From Maya Korbynn : +1
19:47:12 From Veronika Bylicki (she/her) to All panelists : ^Happy to address that question later re youth telling us what the future city they want is
19:47:35 From Joy Rowe to All panelists : +1
19:47:47 From Adam Knight : what is meant by disaggregated data? I’ve heard it a number of times, not sure what it means
19:48:49 From Tech Help - Robyn Chan : Disaggregated data is data that has been broken down by detailed sub-categories, including race, gender, income, etc.
19:48:59 From Becca Mayers to All panelists : “Disaggregated data is data that has been broken down by detailed sub-categories, for example by marginalised group, gender, region or level of education. Disaggregated data can reveal deprivations and inequalities that may not be fully reflected in aggregated data.” from google
19:49:48 From Foong Pat CHAN to All panelists : Eurocentric notions of history and futures is often linear. It posits each epoch as a betterment of the last. What this Eurocentric approach to “time” does is a disregard of splintering futures, hence futures not fitted within Eurocentric history-futures.
If we are to translate a notion of time as irreducible to one future to “Planning”, what can such a Plan do/be? A plan with multiple futures might mean it is not representable (as per the usual plan with the “anticipated” forms of buildings and even policies).
19:49:49 From Ellen Woodsworth : We need to use an intersectional lens to look at the disaggregated data to see everyone in all our diversities.
19:50:08 From Tech Help - Robyn Chan : Amina’s Tyee article: https://thetyee.ca/Analysis/2020/06/18/Whose-Streets-Black-Streets/
19:50:10 From Becca Mayers to All panelists : If you’d like more information on desegregated data, there’s a book by Caroline Criado-Perez on “Invisible women”, and she talks a lot about gender, but also race.
19:50:11 From Priti Shah to All panelists : Good to know about B4 motion being debated tomorrow Thanks Ellen.
19:50:21 From Adam Knight : thank you… I think I need to look into it further.
19:50:33 From Tech Help - Alix Krahn : Hi all, reminder to change your chat to send to “all panelists and attendees” if you would like everyone to see your comment!
19:51:28 From Becca Mayers : If you’d like more information on desegregated data, there’s a book by Caroline Criado-Perez on “Invisible women”, where she talks a lot about gender, but also race.
19:52:13 From Adam Knight : it is not a particularly intuitive term for a lay person. thanks for the recommendation!
19:52:31 From Daljit Gill-Badesha : Question for Jannika: how are you involving youth in the planning of the city and you are collecting data from a diverse group that represents the community?
19:53:00 From Host - Yuri Artibise - ED, VCPC : Invisible Women: Exposing Data Bias in a World Designed for Men — Caroline Criado Perez https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/111/1113605/invisible-women/9781784706289.html
19:53:02 From Jessica Wadsworth : Disaggregated (Not desegregated).
19:53:45 From Foong Pat CHAN to All panelists : I think what makes it difficult for the official Planning bodies to really think/act outside the usual framework is that they function on the time-frame of capital… (E.g. The deadlines to take out the bank loans, the deadline to return loans, even the deadline to apply for funding, etc, etc…) The time-frame of capital is that of colonial time.
19:54:04 From Becca Mayers : Interesting how when asked what your utopia for the future city is, all panelists so far have focused on process and following the data to represent the needs of groups who are systematically ignored. We have the data…now ignore your own idea of utopia and use the evidence right in front of you.
19:54:10 From Tech Help- Samantha Anderson : UN Committee on the
Elimination of Racial Discrimination Report on Canada: https://undocs.org/CERD/C/CAN/CO/18
19:54:47 From Foong Pat CHAN to All panelists : Utopia is also “Not Place”
19:55:45 From Foong Pat CHAN to All panelists : So in a way the panelists are correct to not really envision a specific place. That’s the problem with colonial-capital planning, it envisions exactly what must be, and enforce it (or “implement it”)
19:56:54 From Kim Nipp to All panelists : Thank you SO MUCH Amina for naming and sharing the hard truths. “Why is the onus always placed on racialized, and marginalized communities to keep having to revisit storytelling their lived experience and pain in order to be heard?”
19:57:49 From Nithila Theivendrarajah : When we rebuild Vancouver are we also thinking about climate change and other environmental issues - this would a great opportunity to change how we live so that we are more sustainable as a community and I’m wondering if those conversations are taking place as we talk about Vancouver post-covid (I joined late to this call so I’m not sure if you already addressed this)
19:58:22 From Shelley Joseph : (all my relations) Namwayut - We are all one (KwaKwala language)
19:59:32 From Carmen Rosen : What’s interesting about this moment is that we’ve seen all levels of government suddenly pivot and change within a few weeks when we’ve been told any change is complex and not easy and can’t just happen. But we’ve seen it can just happen and now we question why not all the other social justice and climate justice issues that are also urgent
19:59:36 From Tech Help- Samantha Anderson : Ornament and Crime Adolf Loos excerpt here: https://faculty.risd.edu/bcampbel/Loos-Ornament%20and%20Crime.pdf
20:00:27 From Kath Gee to All panelists : thank you for providing the links and info the speakers are referring to
20:01:36 From Michael Gordon : Thank you…that’s very helpful for me to grasp the disconnect between our emerging city and aboriginal values.
20:03:04 From Emily McGill : I came in late unfortunately, I’m curious if there’s been discussion about urban green spaces - repopulating with native plants, food forests, improving biodiversity?
20:03:07 From Maya Korbynn : Thank you, Sierra, for sharing all of that information!
20:03:16 From Emily McGill : Yes, thank you Sierra, very informative
20:03:55 From Christina Olsen : Wonderfully concise and deep context, thank you Sierra.
20:03:58 From Brad Gretzinger to All panelists : Way to go Sierra!
20:04:48 From Tech Help- Samantha Anderson : Modus Planning & Design: https://thinkmodus.ca/
20:05:16 From veronica Jeske to All panelists : Sierra, you explained things so well and have given me so much to think about. Thank you. I appreciate all the panaelists too!
20:05:27 From Foong Pat CHAN to All panelists : We would need to start each project not with a pre-designed scheme and show that to the impacted groups and see what they think.
That’s why we need to work outside of the time-line of capital, so that really different modes f engagement, drawing, mark-making, etc. can take place…
20:06:08 From Kath Gee to All panelists : so resonant and inspiring Sierra, grateful for your strong spirit and integrity
20:06:18 From Jessica Wadsworth : Yes! Timelines for engagement at the City have historically been meaningless to those who have committed their time. We have this issue with the Arts and Culture Advisory Committee.
20:08:39 From Ellen Woodsworth : Take Jay Pitter’s questionnaire about action on BIPOC issues in her “Call to Courage”.
20:09:11 From Kim Nipp to All panelists : Thank you so much Sierra!
20:09:13 From Kyla Epstein to All panelists : Thank you Sierra for talking about timelines. I have heard folks recently talk about “moving at the speed of trust”. Something I am figuring out in my ‘engagement’ work.
20:09:18 From Michael Gordon : Yes, could we go past 8:15, this is a very important conversation.
20:09:20 From Tech Help - Alix Krahn : Jay Pitter’s Call to Courage: https://canurb.org/citytalk-news/a-call-to-courage-an-open-letter-to-canadian-urbanists/#:~:text=Access%20the%20Call%20to%20Courage,in%20cities%20across%20North%20America.
20:09:21 From Steve Butler : I’ve read Amina’s good and thought-provoking article. With CPTED having originated from a place of white privilege, how do we make public spaces safe for all races, cultures, and genders without incorporating some aspect of “natural surveillance” ?
20:11:09 From Tech Help - Alix Krahn : Amina’s article: https://thetyee.ca/Analysis/2020/06/18/Whose-Streets-Black-Streets/
20:12:36 From Priti Shah to All panelists : Sierra and Amina thank you for your informative and moving presentation. Loved how you both elavated each other and spoke so well about intersectionality
20:13:40 From Becca Mayers : Timeline of white supremacy
20:14:23 From Michael Gordon : There are many important web links being shared…is it possible to follow up with us and share them after this conversation.
20:14:39 From David Schwartz : I think the chat transcript will be shared
20:14:46 From Tech Help - Albert Huang to All panelists : Tech team: I’ve got to excuse myself at this point. Great work. Happy to see people have held attendees’ attention.
20:14:53 From Mitra Mansour : Well said Sierra + Amina!!!!!!!!! Thank you to the panelists and organizers! (PS. Hi Omar!) Good night everyone.
20:15:54 From Nithila Theivendrarajah : could the recording of this meeting be shared? as someone who cam in late I would appreciate being able to see the conversations i missed
20:15:58 From Tech Help- Samantha Anderson : Hi Michael, we’ll be consolidating the links and add on a few others that the panelists think are useful to share iwht the link ot the transcript
20:16:55 From Tech Help - Robyn Chan : Hi Nithila, we’ll be sharing the recording in about a week or so at http://vancouverplanning.ca/ (along with the links and transcripts as mentioned above)
20:17:55 From Diane Blunt : I’ve learned from working with canoe families that “there is an order not a schedule.” It’s been a game changer for me. I try to always bring that to my work.
20:18:06 From Priti Shah : Great conversations all panelist very informative and inspiring and thank you Omar
20:19:22 From Mark Roseland : Thanks all for a very interesting conversation.
20:20:39 From Becca Mayers : Make the streets safer for whom
20:23:02 From Amina Yasin : Please take it upon yourselves to learn more about the Hogan’s Alley Society and the proposed Community Land Trust https://www.hogansalleysociety.org/
20:23:28 From Tech Help - Alyssa Koehn (she/her) : Thank you to everyone who submitted questions that we did not get to. We will take these away with us and use them to inform future events in this series, as well as collect them in the chat summary for the event.
20:23:59 From Becca Mayers : Thanks to all the panelists and organisers!
20:24:43 From Adam Knight : thank you everyone — the speakers, moderator and those joining to learn more about these perspectives.
20:24:55 From Kath Gee to All panelists : can we please access to the transcripts
20:24:59 From Foong Pat CHAN to All panelists : Exactly what Amina said ! That’s the problem… Planning still assumes what it does is “neutral” or “universal”. I would love every plan produced in Canada to have pages of footprint outlining how every piece of policy has its colonial roots.
20:25:03 From Carmen Rosen : thank you all
20:25:06 From Maeve Downing : thank you so much panelists and organizers, this is amazing, thank you so so much.
20:25:14 From Lisa Moffatt : Sincerely appreciate your lived experience, labour and knowledge Sierra, Amina, Leslie and Veronika. Thanks for hosting VCPC.
20:25:25 From David Schwartz : thank you all, I wish this session was longer
20:25:33 From Amina Yasin : Please learn more about the International Decade for people of African descent and what that means to Canada. https://www.un.org/en/observances/decade-people-african-descent
20:25:34 From Nithila Theivendrarajah : Thank you all, I really look forward to more of these sessions
20:25:50 From Caleb Westerby : Thank you all - lots to think about and build upon.
20:25:54 From Carla Jones to All panelists : Thank you all for so generously giving of your time. I look forward to what’s next.
20:25:54 From Foong Pat CHAN to All panelists : Thank you all!
20:25:59 From Robert White : Thank you Sierra, Veronika, Leslie, and Amina, and thank you Omar and everyone behind the scenes.
20:26:01 From Kath Gee to All panelists : and huge gratitude for cracking open our hearts, minds and spirits to recreate and regenerate our cities
20:26:16 From Amina Yasin : Thank you to all attendees
20:26:16 From Preethi Anbalagan : Thank you all!!
20:26:21 From Amina Yasin : Thank you to all panelists
20:26:28 From Amina Yasin : Thank you Sierra
20:26:28 From Cabot Lyford to All panelists : Let it take as long as it needs.
20:26:35 From Daljit Gill-Badesha : Thank you!!
20:26:38 From John Roddick : Thanks very much to all the panelists.
20:26:39 From Tech Help - Alyssa Koehn (she/her) : Transcripts and a recording of today’s webinar will be posted to vancouverplanning.ca within the next week or so, and an email will be sent to all attendees with links to the transcript, chat, and questions.
20:27:01 From Maya Korbynn : Thank you so much! This has been such an informative session.
20:27:04 From Kath Gee to All panelists : thanks to all the speakers for your strength insight commitment and voices
20:27:25 From R Nam : Thank you so much for the discussion and the topics brought up. I appreciate the time and will be taking away so much more to research and to learn/unlearn.
20:27:32 From Mark Roseland to All panelists : For future reference, you can save the chat in Zoom, click the 3 dots near where you type in Chat
20:27:34 From LEELA Viswanathan to All panelists : Thanks so much!
20:27:37 From Brad Gretzinger to All panelists : This was very informative and heart warming. 5-10 topis to expand on!
20:27:41 From Michael Gordon : Agreed, I’m very grateful you shared your insights with us.
20:27:41 From Kath Gee to All panelists : and your fierce honesty. I hear you, I see you!
20:27:50 From Megan Fretz : Thank you to all the panelists for honest and grounded conversation. Looking forward to future conversations!
20:27:58 From Christina Olsen : Brilliant, thanks to you all for your time, energy, and insights!
20:28:02 From Sara Jellicoe : thank you so much VCPC for amplifying these voices - I’m grateful to listen and i hope your future panels will be equally as intersectional
20:28:04 From Joy Rowe : Panelists so generous with their time and energy. Thank you for this gift. Could keep listening & being engaged for another hour or more. Love this
20:28:06 From Emily McGill : Thank you all <3
20:28:18 From Kim Nipp to All panelists : Thank you to everyone who spoke and brought together this panel. Sincerely appreciate the labor involved in sharing your knowledge and lived experience.
20:28:21 From Sanjana Patil : Thank you panelists and all, it was a wonderful session of learning and sharing.
20:28:21 From Iona Bonamis to All panelists : Thank you Sierra, Amina, Veronika, Leslie, Omar, and all of the people who put this event together! I have learned so much from this panel!
20:28:23 From Lani Brunn to All panelists : thank you
20:28:25 From Sarah Law to All panelists : thank you to all the panelists for your time, intentions and knowledge <3
20:28:29 From Amanda Mitchell : Thank you to the panelists and the VCPC
20:28:29 From Kath Gee to All panelists : yes to using relationship building. that’s the way forward to healing and reconciliation
20:28:31 From Susan Haid to All panelists : Thank-you sincerely for a deeply thoughtful and powerful dialogue to activate critical change
20:28:32 From Natalie Douglas : Thank you all so very much!
20:28:32 From Tanya Fink : Thank you so much for your time and expertise . We have a lot to learn.
20:29:01 From Cathy Sevcik : Thank you!
20:29:05 From Sasha Van Wie to All panelists : Thank you for your presence and valuable questions everyone.
20:29:06 From Tracy Wilkins : Such an incredible honour and a privilege to listen. Thanks to all the speakers and to Omar.
20:29:07 From Tech Help - Alyssa Koehn (she/her) to All panelists : Great job Omar!
20:29:07 From Erick Villagomez to All panelists : Thank you, All!
20:29:11 From Kath Gee to All panelists : will recording and transcript be available
20:29:12 From Robert Matas to All panelists : thank you for all your insightful comments
20:29:18 From Tanya Fink to All panelists : great job Omar!!
20:29:25 From Omar Dominguez to All panelists : Is the thing off?
20:29:25 From Tech Help - Alyssa Koehn (she/her) to All panelists : And to all the panelists as well.
20:29:28 From Jackson Moore : Thanks to everyone! First VCPC event but definitely not my last
20:29:37 From Amina Yasin to All panelists : fantastic job OMAR!
20:29:39 From Kath Gee to All panelists : will recording and transcript be available
20:29:43 From Claudia Bulaievsky to All panelists : thanks
20:29:52 From Tech Help - Robyn Chan : @Kath, yes they will be shared in the next week or so
20:30:06 From Kath Gee to All panelists : thank you!!
20:30:20 From Kath Gee to All panelists : brilliant discussion
20:30:20 From Tech Help - Robyn Chan to All panelists : I wish I had the fire emoji, you guys were amazing
20:30:29 From Marnie Tamaki : Great event!!
20:31:02 From Omar Dominguez to All panelists : <3